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- Date: Tue, 14 Jun 94 05:12 BST-1
- From: Ofir Gal <ogal@cix.compulink.co.uk>
- Subject: Re: Ofir's digest 11.06
- To: gem-list@world.std.com
- Message-Id: <memo.373954@cix.compulink.co.uk>
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- In message <P10891@H.maus.de>, Wilfried_Behne@h.maus.de said:
- >
- >The basic idea was that closing a window does not remove the data (of the
- >window) from memory. The window might be iconified (e.g. Interface) or
- >displayed in a window list (take a look at 7Up & Interface) - very useful
- >under plain TOS (limited number of windows) and in a multitasking
- >environment (because it doesn't waste space on small monitors like Iconify
- >does).
- >If you abandon the window (or the iconified symbol) then data is removed
- >from memory. In opposite to "REVERT <object>" (CTRL-H) data is not
- >reloaded.
-
- I misunderstood you Wilfried. OK, so you are saying that closing a window
- should not remove its data. This could be a little confusing for the user
- because no all programs support this, although I agree that this is a
- useful feature. Most programs remove the data when you close a window.
-
- >I suggested CTRL-D for this feature because Ofir recently used
- >Shift-CTRL-U in his proposal to close all windows. If you don't need a
- >shortcut for closing all windows (is there any demand for it?) you might
- >use Shift-CTRL-U to Abandon.
-
- I think it is similar to Hide App in Magic. You can get rid of all open
- windows and free the screen without quitting the application. In the light
- of your suggestion maybe Shift+CTRL+U should be abandon and Shift+CTRL+Q
- could be Close All Windows - Hide App sort of thing.
-
-
- In message <m0qCsU7-0003oRC@gogol.fb10.tu-berlin.de>, chris@buran.fb10.tu-berlin.de said:
- >
- ><arrow left> hide block, put cursor at left end
- ><arrow right> hide block, put cursor at right end
-
- OK.
-
- >> CTRL I - Show Info
- >
- >In text oriented applications I prefer CTRL-I italic
-
- This was in my original proposal but was removed, maybe I should put it
- back then.
-
- >It could be used alternatively depending on the type of application.
- >
- >CTRL-B - bold
-
- So what about block marking? I suggested CTRL+B/E to mark block start and
- end, I hate having to reach for the mouse for marking blocks.
-
- >> Shift CTRL P - Printer Configuration, Page Layout
- >
- >Printer configuration and page layout are often different things. Therefore
- >I suggest (again from the NeXT guidelines)
- >
- >CTRL L - Page layout
-
- OK.
-
- >> CTRL up/down arrow - Move one paragraph up/down
- >
- >We use this for moving one page up/down. I think this is more important.
-
- OK, I have already changed it after Annius (Edith) pointed it out.
-
- >> Shift Del - Delete to end of line
- >> Shift BS - Delete from start of line
- >I also think this is too dangerous. A while ago, I used Shift-Space for a
- >nonbreakable space, but some users complained they would hit it too often
- >accidentially, so I moved it to CTRL-Space. Therefore I suggest
- >
- >Alt Del - Delete to end of line
- >Alt BS - Delete from start of line
-
- Since many people have asked me to change this, I propose to make an
- exception and use the Alt key for this shortcut.
-
- >
- >How about
- >
- >Alt CTRL Del - REALLY delete :-)
-
- You mean Alt+CTRL+RShift+Del - REALLY REALLY DELETE :-))
-
- >> CTRL B - Set block > start
- >> CTRL E - Set block end
- >> Shift+CTRL B - Move to block start
- >> Shift+CTRL E - Move to block end
- >
- >Because I want CTRL B / CTRL E used for other things, I can't agree with
- >this. As one can use Shift-Click, I wouldn't want to waste two menu entries
- >for this anyway. In papyrus I use Alt-B/Alt-E without menu entries.
-
- As I said these are still a problem...
-
- >Shift CTRL I - Import (Insert file into existing document)
- >Shift CTRL E - Export selection/document as...
- >CTRL E - Save configuration
-
- I'll go along with the first two, the last one is rarely used by the end
- user so we may like to keep the CTRL+E combination for something else.
-
- >How about a shortcut for starting to play off a macro? This should also be
- >usable by external macro recorders. Any suggestions?
-
- I think this is too specific. In the next proposal I will also add that
- Function keys could be used for anything - there are at least 40
- combinations possible with these.
-
- >Slightly off topic:
- >
- >I'd also like to see more standardisation in text block operations. Since
-
- OK, but lets put it off until the first proposal is established.
-
-
- In message <m0qDCtU-0001WpC@bitsink.gbdata.com>, khollis@bitsink.gbdata.com said:
- >
- >I propose to have NKCC as standard keyboard handler routines.
-
- Sure, if someone can convert it to HiSoft BASIC, GFA BASIC...
-
-
-
- Bye,
-
- Ofir ogal@cix.compulink.co.uk
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